Eliminar las referencias ocultas a la esclavitud

Por Jakub Jermar

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Este debate tiene 5 respuestas, 4 mensajes y ha sido actualizado por última vez el hace 3 años por Herbert Tombeur.

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5 diciembre 2021 a las 11:36 #2397

Jakub Jermar
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Please delete (or give a very good rationale for) paragraph 1, section 3, Article III:

“The immigration of people, by States considered to be permissible, is not
prohibited by the European Congress before the year 20XX.”

As far as I can tell, this comes from the US constitution where it served the purpose of allowing the slave trade to continue for some years after the US constitution was ratified.

For reference, here’s the US original:

“The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.”

5 diciembre 2021 a las 20:34 #2398

Mauro Casarotto
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You are right.

6 diciembre 2021 a las 09:02 #2400

Lars Næsbye Christensen
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La caja de herramientas constitucional no hace referencia a la esclavitud, sino que explica que esto sirve para dar a los estados algún tiempo con su configuración actual antes de que se haga una política común de inmigración (p. 210). Podría ser de 3 ó 5 años, por ejemplo.

Así que no creo que sea problemático por esa razón específica, pero probablemente no sea necesario en ningún caso.

6 diciembre 2021 a las 09:10 #2401

Jakub Jermar
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Well neither does the US constitution, but the reason this strikingly similar formulation is there is to keep the slave trade going for some time.

See:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed42.asp

My argument is: since we don’t have slave trade in Europe, we don’t need this paragraph. Or at least don’t make it look like it is the redressed US one (which for sure is about slave trade).

6 diciembre 2021 a las 09:33 #2403

Lars Næsbye Christensen
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Yes, lets remove it.

7 diciembre 2021 a las 12:14 #2405

Herbert Tombeur
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Yes, I join you both. Let us delete Aricle III, Section 3, par. 1, about immigration. I add this argument to yours: entry, stay and residence of non-nationals on the State territory may likely stay a Member State competence. Why? I observe that there is a very narrow common ground for any EF concerning immigration from outside the Federation, as European countries are very different in territorial size, population density, social system and economic strength. If any constitutional stipulation about migration would be maintained, it could concern only the/some internal migration policy between the Member States of the Federation.
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